ecclesiastes 8:15 commentary

Who knows anything? 39.). ( Romans 9:20 ) The sovereignty of the king, which also speaks to the sovereignty of God. Eat, drink, and be joyful, for tomorrow we die! Ecclesiastes 2:14; [3] Be not hasty to go out of his sight: stand not in an evil thing; for he does whatever pleases him. _ 1. The second part of verse 3 says, Do not take your stand for an evil thing, for he [the king] does whatever pleases him. The phrase translated evil thing could mean bad thing in a more general sense. 196-197). And thus, it appears that the evil man is getting away with his evil actions, his evil deeds. But if they find the kings command unreasonable, wisdom will show them a way out. In this division, dealing with the evidences of the vanity of life, We must keep in due subjection to the government God has set over us (v. 2-5). Ecclesiastes/Song of Solomon - Leaders Guide. As has been pointed out before, some take a low view of the refrain. Notice that the Preacher is giving us a God-centered perspective and that in verse 15 he is talking about the days of our life as a gift from God. Ecclesiastes 8:15 NIV - So I commend the enjoyment of life, - Bible Gateway Read the Bible Reading Plans Advanced Search Available Versions Audio Bibles Study Tools Scripture Engagement More Resources Explore More Newsletters Devotionals Bible Gateway App Bible Audio App Bible Gateway Blog Bible Gateway Plus Store Bibles Deals More Passage There is no use in repining or rebelling; _true wisdom There is no man that has power over his spirit to retain the spirit; neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war; neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it ( Ecclesiastes 8:8 ). Koheleth seems to have had a suspicion all the time that his view of 2: vanitas vanitatum dixit Ecclesiastes vanitas vanitatum omnia vanitas. 5:18; Ecclesiastes 9:7 To be merry This he speaks of sensual delights. 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Man in this world is the property of _labour._ 3. Wisdom strengthens the wise more than ten mighty men which are in the city. and who knows the interpretation of a thing? is simply that the wicked were able to die and receive a proper burial after a long life without having to face up to what they'd doneall the while having been permitted in life to be regularly in God's temple, a sacrilege and mockery of religion. These seeming anomalies in the moral government of God are part of Ecclesiastes 3:12; Ecclesiastes 3:22; Ecclesiastes 5:18, the Epicurean Where the verse says they were forgotten, many others render this they were praised, reasoning that the positive eulogizing of the wicked after all their evil must be the vanity or frustration mentioned. Read the Scripture: Ecclesiastes 7:15-8:1 The book of Ecclesiastes is the most exhaustive investigation ever made as to the value and profit of various lifestyles. a [23] All this have I proved by wisdom: I said, I will be wise; but it was far from me. 2. Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged, yet surely I know that it shall be well with them that fear God, which fear before him: And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. This is because the instruction referred to obeying the king in general, whoever he wasor to obeying whatever human authority was in power. If moral evil is in view, perhaps the sense is becoming a civil lawbreaker. Hebrew word is applied not only to the pleasures arising from the The beginning of verse 8 says that no one can retain the spirit in the day of death. SUN EXCEPT TO EAT AND TO DRINK AND TO BE MERRY, AND THIS WILL STAND BY Solomon in verse 2 says to keep the kings command, not My commandhe being the king. 15 Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun. better H2896 sun H8121 eat H398 (H8800) drink H8354 (H8800) merry Do not be hasty to go from his presence. Or it could be that all the men of Israel took an oath as part of the nations military. The wise are therefore observant for the opportune circumstance in which to speak or act as it presents itself. ECCLESIASTES 8:1 They've been talking about that for years. Though a man be ever so industrious, thou he labour to seek it out. And, as the end of verse 1 tells us, this wisdom can dispel the gloom and brighten mans otherwise hard looks (Walter Kaiser, Ecclesiastes: Total Life, p. 89). Let us be ever thankful for the days of our lives. element of thought mingles with the higher fear of God, to which th FOR THAT SHALL ABIDE WITH HIM OF HIS LABOUR _And this shall borrow That all of the talk of the rapture of the church and the return of Jesus Christ is just piped dreams, a misinterpretation of scriptures. the Book of Proverbs. Work even when one cannot understand the working of God. To whom it happeneth, &c. The king stands as the authority. let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. He's very patient. Instead, somewhat surprisingly, he urges us to enjoy life: to eat, drink, and be merry. This is not speaking of understanding that there will be a future judgment from God, though that is mentioned later in chapter 8. and who knows the interpretation of a thing? Nay, [3.] [8] But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons. You can't escape it. But he does not dwell on that. He is instead, in great mercy, giving everyone more time to repentand He is letting us see how far we will drift without His intervention. "It doesn't really matter to God how I live. Then, besides the perspective we need to have and the righteous life we are to persist in, we are again given the prescription of the books refrain in the third major sections conclusionthe enjoyment of life that God blesses us with: to eat, drink, and be merry (Ecclesiastes 8:15 Ecclesiastes 8:15Then I commended mirth, because a man has no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labor the days of his life, which God gives him under the sun.American King James Version). 1. Of course, it is true that human government has been established by God as a check against total lawlessness, as the apostle Paul explains in Romans 13. We see the just troubled and perplexed in their own minds, the wicked easy, fearless, and secure,--the just crossed and afflicted by the divine Providence, the wicked prosperous, successful, and smiled upon,--the just, censured, reproached, and run down, by the higher powers, the wicked applauded and preferred. [21] Also take no heed to all words that are spoken; lest you hear your servant curse you: . [27] Behold, this have I found, said the preacher, counting one by one, to find out the account: Do not take your stand for an evil thing, for he does whatever pleases him." Where the word of a king is, there is power; You can't really come to the king and say, "Hey, what are you doing?" You see, the real delay in the return of Jesus Christ is just God's unwillingness that men should perish. Thus the Preacher warns against a capricious desertion of ones post (cf. This is not some kind of terror of God, but a profound respect that does include, as with children who love their caring parents, a healthy fear of disappointing and, yes, incurring judgment, recalling that God chastens every son He loves (Hebrews 12:5-11 Hebrews 12:5-11 [5] And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to children, My son, despise not you the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when you are rebuked of him: Others see ruach here as meaning wind, and take the statement to mean that just as the wind is beyond our control, so is death. . 2. ECCLESIASTES 8:14, it is best to give a man's self up to eating and He would not have us try to give a reason for what God does. Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men. He intimates that he had tried for a better, but failed to reach it: "I said, I will be wise, but it was far from me." [1.] God is exceedingly long-suffering. There is futility which is done on the earth, that is, there are Ecclesiastes 8:15 Keil and Delitzsch Biblical Commentary on the Old Testament "And I commended joy, that there is nothing better for a man under the sun than to eat and drink and enjoy himself; and that this accompanies him in his labour throughout all the days of his life, which God hath given him under the sun." God does care. Thinks that he has been clever and has hid his sin from God, or worse yet, thinks that God is condoning what he has done. II. Verse 14 repeats the dilemma of Ecclesiastes 7:15 Ecclesiastes 7:15All things have I seen in the days of my vanity: there is a just man that perishes in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man that prolongs his life in his wickedness.American King James Versionthe righteous suffering what wickedness is supposed to result in and the wicked receiving what righteousness is supposed to result in. The writer returns to the sentiment expressed already (Ecclesiastes and who knows the interpretation of a thing? God's ways are above ours, nor is he tied to his own former ways, but his judgments are a great deep. As the same commentary notes: Somesay that the Preacher is simply making the best of a bad situation, that Solomon is a cynic. Post mortem nulla voluptas.". Recall that chapter 5 was the first instance of direct exhortations in the booktelling us to be careful in our approach in coming to worship God, the One in whose hands our lives are and who can help us through the present difficulties. No fault is to be found with God; but, as to the world, This is vanity upon the earth, and again, This is also vanity, that is, it is a certain evidence that the things of this world are not the best things nor were ever designed to make a portion and happiness for us, for, if they had, God would not have allotted so much of this world's wealth to his worst enemies and so much of its troubles to his best friends; there must therefore be another life after this the joys and griefs of which must be real and substantial, and able to make men truly happy or truly miserable, for this world does neither. They begin to scoff at it, even as Peter said they would. Might as well enjoy what you got now, because man, it's going to be tough later. For the time being we are subject to human rule. THE BENEFITS OF WHOLESOME RECREATION Salem Media Group. Concerning this Solomon here gives us his advice. Of the fear of God, the need for which we have already seen in the book and will see again in its conclusion (Ecclesiastes 3:14 Ecclesiastes 3:14I know that, whatever God does, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God does it, that men should fear before him.American King James Version; Ecclesiastes 5:7 Ecclesiastes 5:7For in the multitude of dreams and many words there are also divers vanities: but fear you God.American King James Version; Ecclesiastes 7:18 Ecclesiastes 7:18It is good that you should take hold of this; yes, also from this withdraw not your hand: for he that fears God shall come forth of them all.American King James Version; Ecclesiastes 12:13 Ecclesiastes 12:13Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.American King James Version), the Tyndale commentary states: In the wisdom tradition the fear of God is the awe and holy caution that arises from realization of the greatness of God: Splendourterrible majestypowerjusticerighteousness. The problem with this view is that it does not do full justice to what the Preacher says. THERE IS A VANITY WHICH IS DONE UPON THE EARTH.] 3: quid habet amplius homo de universo labore suo quod laborat sub sole. which God giveth him under the sun; man's present life is under the sun, and is continued as long as it pleases God; though it is but short, rather to be counted by days than years, and is a laborious one; and all that he gets by his labour, enjoyed by him, is to eat and drink cheerfully; and this he may expect to have and continue with him as long as he lives, even food and raiment, and with this he should be content. The words There is are in italics in the NKJV, showing theyve been added to the original wordingunnecessarily in this case. This he speaks, either, So, again, the problems of human government must be navigated with wisdom and righteousness to improve life where possible and to avoid making matters worse than they already are. Weve seen that what we might assume to be for the best or worst is not necessarily so (6:17:15) and that all bear part in the worlds problemswith no one being innocent and deserving a trouble-free life (Ecclesiastes 7:16-29 Ecclesiastes 7:16-29 [16] Be not righteous over much; neither make yourself over wise: why should you destroy yourself ? man's wisdom makes his face to shine, and the boldness of his face Send inquiries regarding the operation of this Web site to webmaster@ucg.org. Still, the language resembles the skeptical precept (1Co 15:32), introduced only to be refuted; and "abide" is too strong language, perhaps, for a religious man to apply to "eating" and "mirth.". No man hath power over the spirit That is, over the soul of man; to retain the spirit To keep it in the body beyond the time which God hath allotted to it. Perhaps some type of pledge of allegiance to the king or kingdom among the general populace was customary at that time. Ecclesiastes 8:10 i _Then I commended mirth_ As before in chs. For he knoweth not that which shall be: for who can tell him when it shall be? Men hardened in sin, because not presently punished; but they shall not escape, but it shall go ill with them, Ecclesiastes 8:11-13; as it doth also sometimes with the righteous, whilst the wicked prosper, Ecclesiastes 8:14. CONCLUSION: Heavenly wisdom makes a man a good man,. The wicked go unpunished and, even when they are dead and buried, people still praise them for their achievements in life (9-10). And people begin to misinterpret the long-suffering of God. Solomon's pencil. of evil. and vexations arising from the vanity of the world. 4: generatio praeterit et generatio advenit terra vero in aeternum stat. Verse 7 in context presents more about the need for discerning the right time and way. Because He doesn't execute His sentence speedily, because He doesn't immediately come down to the fist of judgment upon a man, a man many times thinks he's getting away with his evil. That shall abide with him during the days of his life which God gives him under the sun. So, "Though a sinner do evil a hundred times, and his days be prolonged,". We must keep in due subjection to the government God has set over us ( v. 2-5 ). No man has any power over the spirit. It is good that you should take hold of this; yes, also from this withdraw not your hand: for he that fears God shall come forth of them all. A righteous man gets cancer; an unrighteous man gets cancer. TEXT 8:14-17 seventh chapter, to which they evidently belong. Verses 12-13 show that beyond the prolonged days of the wicked today, it will be well with those who fear God but not for the wicked who do not. i. DEATH OF THE WICKED. Item #: 203674. . In the person of a sensual man. He maintains his patience, moreover, in spite of the moral burdens he carries that might otherwise cause him to act impetuously (v. 6b; for the trouble of humanity is heavy upon him [and he wants to do something about it]) (Garrett, note on verses 2-6). And one ruling another to that ones own hurt here is evidently a mistranslation. Though a sinner do evil an hundred times, and his days be prolonged ( Ecclesiastes 8:12 ), Remember he was talking about how he saw that the ungodly man was living a long life, the righteous were dying young and the ungodly were living long. Ecclesiastes 8:13. wicked men sometimes do not live out half their days, which, according to the course of nature, and common term of life, they might be thought to live; or if they prolong their days in wickedness, as sometimes they do, ( Ecclesiastes 7:15 ) ; yet their days at longest are but a shadow which declines, and is quickly gone; or . pleasant, and not distress themselves about things they cannot His estimate of the pleasures of the senses is recorded in Ecclesiastes 7:2-6. Who is as the wise man? It is Honor the king. Verse 1 extols having wisdom. A man's wisdom maketh his face to shine, and the boldness of his face shall be changed. So I know that in the long run that life is the best. 2. man's present life is under the sun, and is continued as long as it pleases god; though it is but short, rather to be counted by days than years, and is a laborious one; and all that he gets by his labour, enjoyed by him, is to eat and drink cheerfully; and this he may expect to have and continue with him as long as he lives, even food Life under the sun. Prudence before kings (Ecclesiastes 8:1)_ So you don't really know what's going to be, when it's going to be. This is added as another evidence of man's misery. Then I commended mirth,. Innocent mirth, a cheerfulness of spirit in whatsoever state condition men are; serenity and tranquillity of mind, thankfulness for what they have, and a free and comfortable use of it; this the wise man praised and recommended to good men, as being much better than to fret at the prosperity of the wicked, and the seemingly unequal distribution of things in this world, and because they had not so much of them: as others; who yet had reason to be thankful for what they had, and to lift up their heads and be cheerful, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God in another world. in actual life. And behold joy and gladness, slaying oxen, and killing sheep, eating flesh, and drinking wine: let us eat and drink; for to morrow we shall die. If the spirit of the ruler rise up against you, leave not your place; for yielding pacifies great offenses. 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